The documentary focuses on the fact that Ivy League scientists are being driven out based on their beliefs. By hypocrites. Exposing hypocrites = win + fun.
And this statement is just bullshit. Plain and simple. There's no hypocrisy, there is no vast cabal of scientists oppressing IDers and forcing them out because of their beliefs. _________________
I recognize satire just fine. Look at your "style" of taking offense and trying to rampage. See, satire in spades, lol. Anyway, you fail yet again at addressing anything I have said (which you are quick to point out as a flaw in me, even though I owned you with why I didn't respond) and only wish to present your bitterness and intention to offend. Which as I told you, you are not capable of. Notice how your disagreeable continence transfered to a perfectly easy going discussion about the Post Office? You see, you are EXACTLY what I call you, and that may bother you, but because of your idiotic pride and bitterness, cynical, jaded, poor attempts of getting me heated, and overall defensiveness, you dismissing my opinions isn't a punishment to me, because your true colors are glaring, and I won't miss your "style" of baiting, I mean debating with anger towards someone who wasn't talking about issues you've probably been angry about ever since you first couldn't understand them. Bravo, Technocrat, your latest skill of transferring your anger to spoil other topics takes the cake. I won't be sad at all when you ignore me, as a matter of fact, I'll be better off. I'll go ahead and dismantle one final post of yours, just because it's so easy. It's my gift to your bitterness.
technocrat wrote:
From now on, I will just dismiss Hackenwacky's opinions outright. He's a kook who can't defend his views, thus won't even try, and thus has nothing valuable to add to this discussion. *Ignore.*
After you said you KNOW God exists because you personally feel it, I should have known I was dealing with someone heavily delusional. Christians like him aren't worth my time. They're unteachable at that point. Everything just sails way over their heads, including satire (which is why he thinks my sig is a real quote).
1. I never told you my views, you decided my views during your (seemingly copy and paste) argument about ID, which I wasn't part of.
2. Nothing valuable to add to the topic discussion or the discussion you created out of thin air where you told me my point of view?
3.
Hackfest wrote:
It's a bit different for me, partially because I don't need faith to know that God exists. It started that way, but through events in my life, I know for a fact God exists
Dang it man, I thought I asked you not to misquote me like you did Stein, it's poor debate! (See, there's that satire you said I didn't get, only much smoother than your "satire")
4. I am glad that I'm unteachable by the likes of you. I value that highly. Thanks for playing. _________________ The Democratic Anthem: The American Dream is okay! Until you make $250,000. Then you're the devil.
I can always count on message boards to consistently shatter my faith in humanity.
As the audience can see, this is merely Hackenwacky projecting his insecurity and evading the falsehoods he propagated in his original posts. Wishful thinking at best. Delusional at worst. He just makes claims he can't defend.
You must remember that this is a guy who claimed a creationist was "brilliant," took rabid offense when you disagree with him about it, believed it legit that there's a vast conspiracy against IDers, and "just knows" invisible people exist because he he's experienced it. According to that lobotomized logic, anyone can say they've experienced anything, and thus it exists.
The only thing dismantled is his hold on reality. I suggest he purchase and own a better grip on reality. Let's not forget all his passive-aggressive bullshit in his second post in response to my first one. _________________
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject:
technocrat wrote:
As the audience can see, this is merely Hackenwacky projecting his insecurity and evading the falsehoods he propagated in his original posts. Wishful thinking at best. Delusional at worst. He just makes claims he can't defend.
You must remember that this is a guy who claimed a creationist was "brilliant," took rabid offense when you disagree with him about it, believed it legit that there's a vast conspiracy against IDers, and "just knows" invisible people exist because he he's experienced it. According to that lobotomized logic, anyone can say they've experienced anything, and thus it exists.
The only thing dismantled is his hold on reality. I suggest he purchase and own a better grip on reality. Let's not forget all his passive-aggressive bullshit in his second post in response to my first one.
No need for the namecalling--I know he also called you names, but it's quite obvious who started the namecalling. One more of those and this thread will have to be moved to the "personal attacks" section. Sad, because this really could be an informative thread.
He never took rabid offense, he just refused to answer. I think he's waiting to answer seriously until you calm down a little and are ready to discuss this in a more civilized manner. That is hard to do at this point now that both sides have resorted to namecalling.
Hackfest: Actually, as horrible and offensively as he may have worded it, Technocrat actually HAS addressed the things you have said, I just don't think you were able to look past his negativity to see it. I've also addressed the issues, but you seem to be uninterested in talking about them--you may be waiting, as I said, until Technocrat calms down about the subject. _________________ Meow.
No need for the namecalling--I know he also called you names, but it's quite obvious who started the namecalling. One more of those and this thread will have to be moved to the "personal attacks" section. Sad, because this really could be an informative thread
The only real difference is that he's passive aggressive. He attacked my first post with sarcastic, nasty comments. Originally, I didn't even say anything to him. I just addressed the video, which I read about and saw clips of and consequently thought was crap. He then lunged at me and attacked everything I said. When I responded to it, he just ignored it and gave a backhanded passive-aggressive implication about stupid we all are because we just don't get it. _________________
If you want, I can bring out all the things he said and list them and how I addressed them. He claims he never said anything I talked about. I can prove he did.
LOL. So now he's Michael Moore?!
technocrat wrote:
The whole premise of the movie is silly. Science isn't a playground, a democracy, or a free for all. There are academic standards.
Science is very much about discovering new things, and is LITTERED with what were at the time, silly premises that are now known as true.
technocrat wrote:
Creationism is not respected (and ID is nothing more than Creationism in a clown costume), because it's false and unsupported.
You say Creationism is false as a fact. What kind of idiot would expect others to take what he cannot prove as fact, AND THEN HAVE ZERO TOLERANCE FOR WHAT OTHERS BRING UP AS CURIOSITY?! You are a disgrace to freedom of thought.
technocrat wrote:
Any scientist seriously advocating it deserves to be stripped of his license and never allowed to practice again.
Re-read that statement. And the truth comes out. Re-read that statement again. THIS is what's scary, not what Kizzume said was scary in the new thread that he made instead of identifying my many points in my earlier posts in this thread. Techno, you write smut like this and I have to be exposed to people crying about being afraid of religious extremists who want to be thought police and take away rights?!?! I love these weak minded liberals that like sheep, flock around the idea of freedom UNTIL it doesn't suit them. You sir are delusional.
technocrat wrote:
see morons like Stein
And, that's where I stopped reading. Seriously. How ignorant are you? I'm embarrassed.
. . . stupid we all are because we just don't get it. . .
That's it man. You win. I will no longer continue to debate with someone who makes SO VERY MANY false claims and lies about what I say. No more wasting time for me. Bye everybody, it was educational. Kizzume, get those movies back to me when you can. Thanks.
P.S. I was indeed about to begin participation in the ID debate. But I have made up my mind and am indeed done here. There are a few hundred posts I have made for you to compare reality with whatever anyone else says. Good luck. _________________ The Democratic Anthem: The American Dream is okay! Until you make $250,000. Then you're the devil.
I can always count on message boards to consistently shatter my faith in humanity.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject:
technocrat wrote:
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No need for the namecalling--I know he also called you names, but it's quite obvious who started the namecalling. One more of those and this thread will have to be moved to the "personal attacks" section. Sad, because this really could be an informative thread
The only real difference is that he's passive aggressive. He attacked my first post with sarcastic, nasty comments. Originally, I didn't even say anything to him. I just addressed the video, which I read about and saw clips of and consequently thought was crap. He then lunged at me and attacked everything I said. When I responded to it, he just ignored it and gave a backhanded passive-aggressive implication about stupid we all are because we just don't get it.
I agree that he could have done without
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You are a disgrace to freedom of thought.
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Seriously. How ignorant are you? I'm embarrassed.
And don't bother trying to decide I'm being venomous because I'm an offended Christian. Nothing anyone can say will offend me. It just makes me SICK to see SO MANY double standards with liberals.
Wait wait.....
Okay....
Now that I've re-read this thread about a dozen times now, I'm going to have to actually say that Hackfest was the first to actually start throwing insults. Technocrat was the first to throw insults AT BEN STEIN, but he did not pull the first personal insult.
Hackfest, as much as I know you're open minded, I think you need to realize that YOU are also VERY defensive on this subject as well. We're all defensive on this--just please don't try to treat this as if YOU'RE the one that's being calm and collected about this--NONE of us except JQ have been calm and collected about this subject.
Technocrat, something that you need to realize is how to discuss something more civilly with religious people. It doesn't take much to make you go off the deep end. Your opinions about religious things are usually quite harsh, and you don't go out of your way to pad anything, which I'm not saying you should, but since you don't, you need to EXPECT people to take what you say somewhat harshly. I know it's difficult for you to have patience in those areas, and I think Hackfest needs to get a little thicker skin on this subject as well.
Please, both of you--just step back and look at this from the perspective that BOTH of you are really defensive, and don't EITHER of you try to claim that you're not being defensive--everyone can see it as plain as day.
Or, you're welcome to go into a rankfest, since this IS in the Personal Attacks section now--but it sure would be nice to be able to move this thread back to another section. It's up to BOTH of you. _________________ Meow.
P.S. I was indeed about to begin participation in the ID debate. But I have made up my mind and am indeed done here. There are a few hundred posts I have made for you to compare reality with whatever anyone else says. Good luck.
You already made up your mind in the second post, pal. If you want to run away to he safety of whatever Christian boards you frequent, where you can patch each other on the back and claim how deep y'all are and how mean those atheists are, ok. I made a reasonable argument detailing the flaws of the video, misconceptions on your part, and problems with Intelligent Design.
You failed to address it because you can't. _________________
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject:
Hackfest wrote:
technocrat wrote:
. . . stupid we all are because we just don't get it. . .
That's it man. You win. I will no longer continue to debate with someone who makes SO VERY MANY false claims and lies about what I say. No more wasting time for me. Bye everybody, it was educational. Kizzume, get those movies back to me when you can. Thanks.
P.S. I was indeed about to begin participation in the ID debate. But I have made up my mind and am indeed done here. There are a few hundred posts I have made for you to compare reality with whatever anyone else says. Good luck.
I'm sorry to see you go. I really wish you would have been willing to work through this. I've wanted to see a valid argument on the side of Intelligent Design for a while now, but it seems I'll never get it and my viewpoint of it will remain that it is purely an blackmail-style attempt at injecting religious belief into the scientific community. I WISH there was more to it than that, and I HOPE there is more to it than that, but out of the dozens of articles I've read about it this week, I can't find a SINGLE one that doesn't basically push the same premise--that there's somehow needless persecution going on while the facts just don't seem to add up to that conclusion.
I've tried--I got right on Technocrat when I saw what he did to his signature and later his avatar, but I guess it's just not good enough for you. I'm very disappointed--I thought you had a thicker skin than that, but I'm starting to guess that your religion really is THAT fragile, and I really didn't want to believe it. I'm very sorry you are unwilling to discuss this.
Bye everybody, it was educational. Kizzume, get those movies back to me when you can. Thanks.
Hi Hackfest,
I hope you decide to reconsider and stick around. I always enjoy reading your posts.
I believe in a combination of evolution and creation; but in all honesty, I do not give it too much thought. I am just trying to survive the "here and now".
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:50 am Post subject:
And I'm learning one of the many disadvantages of running a forum where people are able to say what they want
Quite frankly though, I'm not sure if Hackfest has very much experience in forum debates--this is nothing against him at all--he's a really really good guy--I just think he's more used to blogs. I've known him for many many years, and I can very much say that he's a good guy.
I hope he eventually comes back to the forum, ready for some difficult debating. He definitely wasn't prepared for what he got here. I wish more conservatives were here so he didn't feel so ganged up on. _________________ Meow.
I am not much of an aggressor when it comes to debating either. If I see that the conversation is getting out of hand and emotions are starting to run high, then I will usually walk away from the discussion; but that is just me.
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject:
I don't prefer being aggressive, but it sometimes happens, especially on a touchy subject. I really wish things would have been better for Hackfest, but alas. _________________ Meow.
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