Bush crying WWIII

Kizzume · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: Bush crying WWIII

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&q=bush+world+war+&btnG=Search+News

I think Iran is scary, however, I don't think it's scary enough to be making the kinds of fearmongering claims that Bush is trying to make.

What do you think?

Hackfest · Joined: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 413

These pictures are of Muslims marching through the streets of London during their recent "Religion of Peace Demonstration."

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/muslimprotest.asp

I decided not to put in the pics individually because they're all right here. We haven't seen these in American news, or newspapers. Probably wouldn't help the Left agenda at all if these were shown on American media. The fact that these haven't been shown on any American media outlets certainly strengthens O'Reilly's claim that the media is in general, controlled by the Left. Just a different perspective.

Kizzume · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject:

I think it would hit home more if they were posted here, so I did:

pictures deleted because they were not able to be linked to

And yes, it is quite known that that is the way that many extremists muslims feel about things. When heads of countries start making threats, THAT is when we need to worry. Iran hasn't done anything like that yet, so really what Bush is saying is still fearmongering.
? Last Edit: Oct 19, 2007, 12:27am by Kizzume ?

Hackfest · Joined: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 413

Well, the Mr. Yuck pictures don't really tell the same story, but to each his own I suppose. Anyway, it almost reads like you defend them. The "Freedom go to Hell" picture can't be explained away by trying to"seeing the other side" of the viewpoint. And wasn't all that over the "disturbing Muslim comic?" They seem too extreme to me anyway.

*EDIT I read your post wrong, it doesn't read like you're defending them at all.

Kizzume · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject:

Wow--that's weird how that worked out. It looked fine until I closed my browser and came back in.... so I removed them from the message.....

And since I deleted the pictures that only showed Mr. Yuck stickers, you have realized that I didn't mean what you thought I had...

I definitely think that radical Islam is truly scary. There is no doubt about how dangerous they can be--but going to war wasn't the right answer in Iraq, and it's going to be an even worse idea in Iran. The resources alone that it would take to go into Iran after going into Iraq--we'll be sunk--that could easily bankrupt this country. I'm a lot more scared of that than I am getting attacked.

If we were hit by something nuclear--yeah, it would be devastating and the result would probably be just a few survivors of nuclear fallout. At least it would happen quickly.

If the United States goes bankrupt and falls apart, the kind of horror that only seems like horror films will eventually be the result. People don't think about how the infrastructure of agriculture and farming works and how we really get our bare essentials. When those are gone, completely done, oh my god, the chaos and suffering that will come from that. The ONLY thing that could save us from something like that is if another country basically bought us. I'd be willing to bet it'd be China, India, or Russia, but we can always desperately hope it would be Mexico or Canada. And this of course is all hypothetical.

I think Bush is doing a lot of fearmongering, just like he did with Saddam.

Hackfest · Joined: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 413

I agree going to war was FAR from the right answer in Iraq. Of course, if they did develop nukes and use them, it WOULD be world war 3. It wouldn't matter who said it wasn't either. I think that Americans are FAR too secure in this young country as well. It really wouldn't take much to topple it.

jq · Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 1124

What does war with Iran have to do with those protest pictures taken in the UK? Should I show pictures of violent christian protestors, or maybe KKK members (who claim to be christian by the way) and act as if that is an accurate representation of Christians? Unless I misunderstood your meaning, it seems you are making a very bigoted statement about all muslims by posting UK protest pictures in a thread talking about a possibility of war with Iran. There are a ton of youth in Iran who want a regime change and like the idea of a democracy. Killing them with air raids won't make things better. (And by the way, they aren't even all muslime.) There are a lot of good people in Iran, and being muslim doesn't automatically make them bad.

Look at these christians. I bet the right wing slanted media doesn't want you to see this! It was reported hardly anywhere! All Christians are evil!

Kizzume · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject:

Good point. One should not let the extremes coming from some religious people completely taint one's viewpoint of religion as a whole OR one's viewpoint of a particular religion.

Hackfest · Joined: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 413

Wow, please take the time to enlighten me. I would like to see where I even mildly suggested anything about "all Muslims" and while you're at it, anything even remotely bigoted. And your futile attempt at mocking my statement about media exposure should embarrass you. And although Kizzume stated that, "It is quite known that that is the way that many extremists Muslims feel about things", that wasn't my point. My point was that while everyone is going on and on about Bush inventing threats, I find it strange that the kind of thing I pointed out isn't widely covered in US media. In fact, go find me a youtube video that shows ABC, NBC, or one of the major media giants covering this. And even if you can find one, the fact remains that it wasn't widely covered. Your post really comes across in true Air America style. Sorry for the offensive comparison but it's true.

jq · Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 1124

Obviously you don't get it. Where did you come across as bigoted? By placing muslim protest pictures from UK when talking about Iran. Hey, you are arguing with the wrong guy here; over on ontheleft I totally argued that the leaders of Iran are total assholes and I wish their citizens would kill them. I had every liberal on there telling me I was wrong. I am not playing a liberal issue here. I am pointing out that your generalizations are ridiculous at best. Cite assholes in Iran if you want to call them assholes, not people from UK. Otherwise what you are giving me is hate speech. I wouldn't say all jews are hte same, and I also wouldn't say all christians are the same. And definitely not all muslims are the same. Otherwise they woudln't be killing each other in Iraq. They have marked differences.

Cite assholes from Iran if you want to call them assholes, not people from UK. IF you want to say that the Muslims in UK are assholes, that is fine, I have no problem with it, but lumping them together is shallow and bigoted.

1. Not All Christians are the same.
2. Not all Muslims are the same.
3. Not all Jews are the same.

People from different nationalities, who have a different context of struggle and different political motivations are not the same as each other.

Hackfest · Joined: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 413

My posting that had nothing to do with comparisons of Muslims that live in different places, and certainly nothing to do with blanket statements. I think that you should read slower/more complete/ etc. I already debunked what you said about me, so there's no need to do it again. I may as well copy and paste my last post, which I'll just not do.

jq · Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 1124

I will agree with you that there is a liberal double standard. There is also a feminist double standard. By that I mean, a lot of feminists have voiced American politics as oppressive to the female, while turning a blind eye to certain Islamic countries who have been very cruel to their women. Also, every time I say something bad about Iran, inevitably I get people saying "That isn't good enough of a reason to attack it." But the thing is, I never said I wanted to attack Iran.

So I will agree there is a double standard.

But I still think that your example would have been far more effective if it showed something happening in Iran that the media isn't showing. As far UK, my paper reported what was happening pretty often. But then, my weekly paper comes from the UK, so maybe the US is different.

Kizzume · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject:

Hackfest · Joined: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 413

I whole-heartedly agree about the double standard thing. Kizzume, your opinion is a welcome viewpoint, but it is just that, opinion. As is that I would say that it is more relevant than the "God hates fags" stuff, so it can't be as easily grouped.

Kizzume · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject:

What part are you referring to when you have said it was opinion? That media does anything they can to make money for the advertisers? That they show god hates ----s about as much as they do the opinions of Muslim extremists marching on the streets of Iran?