First they throw puppies over cliffs, now they blow up cats.

Kizzume

These are the same kinds of people who torture prisoners if they can put it in their heads that the prisoners are less than human. Sickening.

jq · Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 1124

Make no mistake. If I was in Iraq and had witnessed these guys doing that, I would have had zero hesitation in whipping out my gun and shoot them both through the faces. Zero hesitation.

Kizzume · Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:11 am Post subject:

It's just sad that nothing can get done about this. I really wish there were more tests for mental stability and sanity and, well, morality for those who want to get into the military, but since the standards are SO low right now because the military needs anyone they can get, it's almost seeming as bad as when they used to give people who committed some awful crimes the choice of prison or joining the military.

debateman · Joined: 05 Dec 2007 Posts: 349 Location: New Mexico

First of all, there is a difference, objectively, between a human life and an animal life. Taking a human life for taking a human life is overkill. Second, we have awful high expectations for people who are generally from undereducated, underfunded, and overworked backgrounds. When your job is to take life on behalf of your country, it's a bit difficult to respect lives the way those of us civilians have the luxury to do. A luxury provided to us by the sacrifice of the same people we are criticizing.

Kizzume · Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:09 am Post subject:

The problem is, if the same people that do that to animals start to get the idea in their heads that the people they're fighting are less than human, they may be willing to do awful things to them, similar to what was done at Abu Gaharad (I never spell that right). This, to me, is the danger of having people in the military with the mindset that is willing to torture and kill animals as FUN.

I personally don't think we should be having people in the military that are SO uneducated that they don't know what's wrong with those types of actions. There's probably nothing that can get done though--again--considering that Bush's war needs as many bodies as possible.

I don't know. I just find it really sad. I agree with you that taking a human life for taking an animal's life is overkill (which is what I assume you actually meant to say).

jq · Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 1124

That's right kizzume. It starts with an animal. But as almost ALL pyschopaths have shown us, abuse is a progressive thing. And I don't care what excuse we give these guys. If they are too dumb to know right from wrong, why the fuck are we calling soldiers honorable? No, they need to be held to an honorable standard, if we are going to call them that, period.

And I disagree that that guy is worth more than the dog he threw. Maybe a REASONABLE person is worth more than a dog, but not a sociopathic asshole. Nah, screw it. I'd rather keep the dog. The world could stand to lose another asshole.

debateman · Joined: 05 Dec 2007 Posts: 349 Location: New Mexico

Fundamentally, there is an issue with military, an issue that we've created. We need these men on that wall. These men are the men protecting us. Those of us with moral scruples on the concept of life don't join the military because we understand that by joining the military we may be asked to take a life. Those of us with moral scruples on the concept of life don't join the military because that split second where it's either life or death, we choose our own death. We choose our own death because we would hesitate to take another life. These guys, they don't hesitate. They do the job that we've sent them to do. You cannot have war with the most academically intelligent on the front lines. These men would lose every battle because they think before they act. Our continued safety rests on the shoulders of these men and women who act on instinct.

Get a grip. Your life, our lives, and the lives of all Americans depend on these very 'sociopathic assholes'.

jq · Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 1124

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Hiedi · Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 97

I am just wondering why they taped this? Are they stupid or what? In my opinion, it is the brainwashing that begins on day one of military training that probably causes a person to act like that, along with the stress of being in a combat situation. Damn, that makes me almost ashamed to say that I actually served in the US military.

Hiedi · Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 97

Unfortunately, there is video all over the internet that portrays US soldiers engaged in all kinds of horrendous acts like this, which is really pathetic. Perhaps this is what some soldiers resort to doing when they lose morale, and there is no obvious justifiable military mission for them to accomplish.

debateman · Joined: 05 Dec 2007 Posts: 349 Location: New Mexico

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jq · Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 1124

Also, we shouldn't HAVE to turn SO MANY people into animals. We shouldn't be in Iraq right now.

debateman · Joined: 05 Dec 2007 Posts: 349 Location: New Mexico