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Kizzume
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 Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject: I don't understand how people can like Giuliani |
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How can people actually *like* Rudy Giuliani? Mr. Freedom = Authority, Mr. Waterboarding Isn't Torture. I just don't get it. I think he is the scariest mainstream candidate out there. The only candidate that even comes close is Hillary.
Why do people like Giuliani?
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Hackfest
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I think that Giuliani has no chance of getting in. But I'd rather him than Hillary, and I'm in a union that would make more money if she were in!
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jq
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Curious; what is it you don't like about Hilliary?
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Kizzume
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To me, hillary isn't running to make the country better, she's purely running for her own fame and fortune.
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I'll get to that when I have more time. I'm getting ready for work right now. Speaking of more time, I still owe Treehugger that response to her last post.
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chuq
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IMO, Clinton is a hawk and if elected it will be business pretty as usual. There will be little change in position, just in faces.
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Kizzume
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| Quote: | | IMO, Clinton is a hawk and if elected it will be business pretty as usual. There will be little change in position, just in faces. |
I think that's what one will get if we get someone in office who cares more about their personal gain than what they can do for the country--that's what Bush is now, and that's what Clinton will be if she gets in office.
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True that! My signature says it all for me. I do not like nor trust a politician.
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Now that Giuliani and Robertson have paired up, he's pretty much the scariest candidate we have!
Seriously--WHY would anyone in their right mind vote for him?
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http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23352
Mind you, this is a Pat Buchanan article, and even HE thinks that Giuliani is scary:
| Quote: | If Rudy rivals McCain as the hawk's hawk in the Republican race, the foreign policy advisers he has signed up make the Vulcans of Bush look like Howard Zinn and Ramsey Clark. Arnaud de Borchgrave titled his column about them "Dogs of War."
Team leader is Charles Hill, a co-signer of the Sept. 20, 2001, neocon ultimatum to Bush, nine days after 9-11, warning the president if he did not attack Iraq, his failure to do so "will constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender to the war on international terrorism."
Yet Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.
A second member of Rudy's team is Martin Kramer, an Israeli-American who, according to Ken Silverstein of Harper's, "spent 25 years at Tel Aviv University and whose Middle East policy can best be summarized as, 'What's Best for Israel?'" Silverstein calls Rudy's eight-man advisory group "AIPAC's Dream Team" -- AIPAC being the Israeli lobby, two of whose leaders go on trial in January for espionage against the United States
According to The New York Times, another key Rudy adviser is Daniel Pipes, "who has called for profiling Muslims at airports and scrutinizing American Muslims in law enforcement, the military and the diplomatic corps." Another is AEI's Michael Rubin, "who has written in favor of revoking the United States' ban on assassinations."
Best known of Rudy's advisers is Norman Podhoretz, who wrote in June, "The Case for Bombing Iran" in Commentary, thinks we are in "World War IV" and writes that "as an American and as a Jew, I pray with all my heart" Bush will bomb Iran. Podhoretz sees us at Munich in 1938 and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as Hitler. |
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