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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: Indiana Jones Reply with quote

Indiana Jones, in newest form, is a couple of things all at once. First and foremost, it is definitely entertaining, despite its exhausting length. Entertaining the whole way through. And secondly, the CGI is maybe the best I have ever seen. George Lucas and Spielberg truly are masters of their domain.


However, story wise, here is the thing: Almost every scene in the entire movie is filled with implausibility, and inaccuracies. Take for example the opening scene. Russians infiltrate Area 51. They do this EASILY, with MINIMAL resistance. The reason why that doesn't work for me, is because I have watched the discovery channel special on how secure that military base is. It couldn't be infiltrated that easily. Frankly, I don't believe it could be infiltrated under almost any circumstance. If Russians during the cold war really HAD infiltrated it, it probably would have had some sort of self-destruct mechanism anyway.

This opening scene makes up the bulk reasoning of the movie. You name it: Surviving a nuclear explosion by hiding in a refrigerator (and then watching the refrigerator fly through the air and crash and bounce numerous times before Jones crawls out of it unhurt,) to scenes of swinging rope to rope with monkeys, to falling off not one, not two, but three major water falls in a car without getting hurt. Oh yeah, and how on earth do their enemies keep catching up with them instantly, without showing a scratch?


Having said all I have to criticize the movie, I still think it is definitely worth seeing. Despite some ridiculous plot holes, inaccuracies, and implausibility one after another, the movie is worthwhile. And despite its length. Why? Because the visualizations are just that good, and the story is that packed with adventure. There aren't too many good adventures these days, and seeing second rate CGI can be expected with almost any movie you see. But this is definitely first rate effects, and visually, classic spielberg.

Story wise it pretty much is, too, with maybe some obvious help on the script from one of the most ridiculous, and legendary filmmakers, George Lucas.


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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to know. It's a movie I really really look forward to seeing. As far as the unreal aspects, the last 3 movies had some of that going on too, especially Temple of Doom. I look at the Indiana Jones movies as being purely entertainment, and they have been quite entertaining in the past, and it's great to know they've kept up those traditions.

Did they keep some of the same cinematography and camera techniques as they did in the earlier films? Was it blatant that it wasn't originally filmed on film--how was the gamma of the movie?

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another rec I'll heed.

I loved the old Indiana flicks - so I'll see this one for nostalgia's sake, if nothing else!

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kizzume wrote:
Did they keep some of the same cinematography and camera techniques as they did in the earlier films? Was it blatant that it wasn't originally filmed on film--how was the gamma of the movie?


This is Steven Spielberg we are talking about-- pretty much considered to be the very best director of our time (even if there are a few contenders I favor.) To be more direct in answering your question: Yes, absolutely. The cinematography is as excellent as you would expect from a film that was made by a top performing veteran of the game.


As for the picture quality-- it was great. I really think film is overrated these days for filmmakers that can afford the best of digital. I don't actually know the details of what he used, but would be interested to find out. (My guess is it isn't the same as the HD camcorders I have looked at buying Razz
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could get similar results to what they're getting if you spent about $5,000 on a camera, which if you think about it, isn't actually that expensive. To get one of those Panavision film cameras and the cost of film developing is through the roof, and then trying to edit that, ugh, what a nightmare. What I was meaning about "gamma" though is that digital cameras pick up things differently than film cameras--the gamma balance (or the ratio between dark and light) is a little bit different than on film, but with processing it can be made to look virtually just like film.

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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do say I liked the movie. I am glad I didn't pay for it, though. It wasn't as good imo as the older movies. It was much harder to follow, plotwise, and there seemed to be more confusing moments.

I can't say I liked the ending either. It was a bit of a let-down.

But I am a Indiana fanboy.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

technocrat wrote:
I do say I liked the movie. I am glad I didn't pay for it, though. It wasn't as good imo as the older movies. It was much harder to follow, plotwise, and there seemed to be more confusing moments.

I can't say I liked the ending either. It was a bit of a let-down.

But I am a Indiana fanboy.


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Agreed about the ending. It totally had me scratching my head saying "THIS is what it built up to?" It also leaves a lot of questions unanswered. The woman who went with the aliens-- the movie indicated that was a bad thing. I don't quite understand why increasing her knowledge and entering a new dimension was a bad thing. And I totally just didn't get what the deal was with all the aliens sitting on the throne.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aliens????

why did I read that post???? LOL

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tristanrobin wrote:
aliens????

why did I read that post???? LOL


Don't worry, knowing about the aliens doesn't ruin the ending for you: From the very beginning of the movie, it is no secret that the movie is all about aliens. If you hate alien movies though, then I have given you a good warning: Don't see the new Indiana Jones if you hate movies with aliens in them!


As a special note I would like to say that my major criticism with Spielberg in general is how he deals with aliens in scripts. I have never been impressed with his vision of aliens in their many incarnations. The reason is simple: he gives them above human intelligence when it comes to their inventions, yet outside of their space ships they act totally primal and retardedl. One has to ask himself in "War of the Worlds," how, if the aliens are sooooo technologically savvy and ahead of us, WHY IS IT that once they are out of their space ship they are basically big ackward oafs who not only seem primal but primitive? In "War of the Worlds" they basically act like Jason Vorhees. Which is fine, if you want to give them a monster's IQ. But speilberg doesn't do it that way. He makes them brilliant and retarded at the same exact time.

I also hated, HATED what he did with the movie AI. Man did I hate that. Would have been so much better if directed by Stanley Kubrick!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I didn't read anything beyond the first paragraph of that, but I will later today after I've seen the movie Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was great!

My ONLY complaint about the movie, and it's really getting nitpicky, is the way they faked lens flare and lens-based soft-focus filters. They used something that in gaming is called "bloom" a lot during this film, and the computer-generated bloom had a characteristic that was really noticeable to me.

I also felt that in the very beginning, the action sequence made him seem a little too tough (as in indestructible)--to me they should have had him seem weak at the beginning and strong by the middle, but that's another nitpicky thing. I really thoroughly enjoyed this movie.

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