Radical religion

FindAway · Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 12 Location: Western Washington

in my opinion,there should be a very high wall between Church & State...

you hear about the "Radical muslums" but you never hear about radical Christians...

When Religion and politics travel together,any oppisition will be at risk of being run over.

just my humble opinion.

(anyone see news from Bellingham of Santa crusifyed on a cross?)

Kizzume · Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject:

I agree completely. Here there are the Pat Robertson, James Dobson, and Jerry Falwell types, but they've never went to the degree of going to the extremes of religions oute there--the main reason for this is because we have laws here that don't let that kind of thing happen. Over there, religion IS the law, and there is no questioning it.

If there was a place where the Bible was absolute law, both old and new testaments, and there was no questioning it because of "Thou shalt have no other gods before me", it could be quite possible. Christianity learned after the Spanish Inquisition and the Salem witch trials, and even then--that was not a way of life for centuries (like with the countries whose laws ARE Islam), it was just a horrible period in history.

Christianity can get ugly, let us make no mistake. But I honestly think that Islam can get uglier. On the flip side of the coin, Islam also has the potential of being more peaceful than Christianity as well, just because of its element of having a more direct connection with God instead of being filtered through someone who was a person--Jesus, and then having to toss back and forth between whether it's the new testament that one pays attention to more or the old testament--and on that same issue, why practice the old testament at all if the new one says that the rules of the old testament aren't important, the he who has no sin cast the first stone aspect--yet people continue to use the old testament against others. Then there are people who are able to look past all that and just try to be as peaceful as they can, read what makes sense to them in the bible and just try to be connected with God.

It's the ones that feel they need to preach all the time that are sort-of scary, but it's the same way with atheists who preach all the time about how crappy Christianity is and all other religions, the ones who are intolerant of people just because they believe in a religion. There are plenty of people like that from any perspective--BUT, when a person is living in a country where the laws are religion, and people's lives ARE religion, you can't change their laws--that would offend them, you can't help them see what's wrong with their religion--that would offend them, you really can't do anything but just leave them alone, completely alone--stop putting sanctions on them, rebuild the infrastructure of the cities we destroyed--get all their water working again, get all their utilities working again--hopefully better than it was before we came in--and then get out of there.

They obviously have a different way of doing things. If they try to expand, that's where we basically say--sorry, not gonna happen, but we should also do the same thing to Israel as well. When they want to expand their borders, it's time to step in and say--no, sorry, do it diplomatically, not by force, at least give people a chance to get their belongings, and give them money for the houses and towns that have been demolished (instead of just using the houses--nope, they have to all be destroyed, it's important to destroy them Roll Eyes

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That whole region has some serious issues. Unfortunately the issues all revolve around religion, and it's silly fighting over "my religion is better than yours, you're just a lowlife".

Spencer Collins · Joined: 29 Dec 2007 Posts: 2 Location: Midwest

I also agree with the high wall between church and state! A theocracy would be our worst nightmare.

debateman · Joined: 05 Dec 2007 Posts: 349 Location: New Mexico

Spencer has this trait of being spot on the majority of the time...

Kizzume · Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject:

jq · Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 1089

I disagree with the Church and State part. At least, sort of.

Remember that Norway, the most peaceful country in the entire world (according to the global peace index) does not have a separation of Church and State. They are proof that you don't have to have a separation of Church and state to have a peaceful country.

As for Islam. Yeah. They have some catching up to do. But it wasn't long ago that Christians were the same way. And seeing that Muslims came quite a while after Christians......

Kizzume · Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject:

Well, if everyone there already has a certain belief, that's one thing. Here in the U.S., we have so many radically different kinds of beliefs.

Kizzume · Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject:

As far as the government telling schools that they can't have Christmas decorations, no lights, no trees, and cannot perform Christmas music--I don't think that's right.

I think schools should be able to put whatever decorations up that they want, provided the decorations aren't racist or something to that effect. I also think schools should be able to perform Christmas music--at least let the bands/orchestras play them since there are no words.

technocrat · Joined: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 216

Separation of Church and State probably has a reverse impact in the long run. At least in the European countries where there was no separation of church and state, people eventually grew sick and tired of having it shoved down their throats, living under religious laws, so they rebelled culturally against it. The government successfully made it mundane and poisoned it, which lead to increasing voluntary secularization.

At least that's one possibility. Here in America, we have let religion fester and strengthen in isolated pools. The general freedom and lack of significant regulation and oversight probably made it more potent.

Kizzume · Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject:

FindAway · Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 12 Location: Western Washington

as the teachings that I have picked up thru the years...
it takes many kind of folks to make the world go around....

I am mildly irritated from the commercializim of the church....not to poke a stick at em but church of later day saints had a commercial regarding abortion was wrong..I asked the folks who actually aired the commercial if thay would run a commercial that endorsed abortion -
no one returned my email....
to balance the scales-

I am not going into the abortion debate at this time...after all I was not suppose to be born..my momma was on the pill.

but I am sure that waaaay back when..I think it was called the crusade that many was killing for religion.

I am suprised that there is a mosk (islamic church) in rome but there are no christain tempels in islamic held countrys...

so all n all...Peace on earth,no matter who you worship God,Alla,budda or the great cosmic cupcake...it boils down to Love and acceptance.

(what you will never see this election year)
Vote for God !

FindAway · Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 12 Location: Western Washington

I guess this should go in the rants and rage department..after much reading on this forum,I am glad that everyone here value's each others opinion and do not nessicarily have to agree with each and every post,we still have free will on this forum.

My intent was for discussion and not to feed into the negative.

(am sending picture to admin -can you add photo to this post? - will send-

Edited by Kizzume to insert the photo:

Kizzume · Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: well..

FindAway · Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 12 Location: Western Washington

Hey
I just wanted to be shure not to step on any toe's and ruffel any feathers.

I am a very very active member in my church - my church is not a "Run of the mill" religion and we all should treasure our similarity and not condeme alternate views for our own viewpoint on what ever we call our higher power.

yes,new to forums so at this time its temporary noob syndrome or something simalar for spicing up the post with eye candy...

so if I add something
HTTP://image path[/img]
do I have to run a server *** or is it uploaded ** - do I upload the image url
I do not want to make work for admin...mebbie a membership fee $$ for packled syndrome.
(packled - see star trek next generation gossarary of alien species)